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lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127530

test

can someone show or provide info on how to add pictures. i got a message that my picture was too big?
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127531

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I use the free program Pixlr to rotate and resize my pictures. Follow the direction on the program, save the edited picture, and then upload to this site. It's an extra step, but works well and goes quickly once you get the hang of it.

Also, I take my pictures with an iphone. I email them to my laptop and I always select "medium" when it prompts me to pick a size when I send. That way I never have to resize them. But the do always appear sideways if I use the raw file for this site.

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127536

thanks i will try that out

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127537

the boat test picture

ok finally got a picture to post lol now lets see if i can repeat that process

thanks to both of you for the help
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127538

if i can ask a little more help after i think i have resized the pic using that program i click below the choose file and the picture info is loaded in the box how do i do the actual up load ? do i click the box that says img?? all that does is put in the message but i do not see the picture of the boat when i click preview.

thanks
sorry to bother you i could not find instructions on the site

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127539

Joe,
Welcome aboard. Here is the link on how to post pics.
www.fiberglassics.com/fiberglassics-forums/home/support/how-to-post-pictures .

I use the Paint program in Windows to resize my pics. I click on resize and use Pixels, setting the largest size to 1000 and then saving the pic. Use that one to post and you'll be fine.

Bob

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127556

a few more pics i started a blog on a site called bateau2 because i bought some materials from a related site then i stumbled onto this site. i think you guys are a little more friendly to rebuilding they seem to be into build from scratch, and not thinking mine was worth the trouble to fix up. anyway i have been getting good advice there, i'm sure you guys have lots of experience too.

So i will also post here seems more related to the boat i have started on, and i really like seeing these old style boats that need work :)

i'm new to boats all together only been on a small boat a few times lol , but i'm looking to have some fun doing this
cutting into because i could tell it had water inside
got what was left of the stringers out, water logged and rotten for sure
cutting in new stringers ( ok it's not going to be perfect)
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127558

Hey Joe, welcome to the forum! I've got a '60 Lake & Sea waiting in the woods for me to finish my other two boats. I would really advise against replacing just the ends of those stringers, splicing onto the old. Usually we find lots more rot when the whole floor is up. Normally on a Lake & Sea, we separate the top hull from the bottom to get full access. It may almost fall apart there anyway, as that was a problem with those boats, even when only a couple years old. Earning the nickname "Leak & Sink". If you check the archives here, you'll find some similar rebuilds to help you out.
Good luck, and don't give up! ;)

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127564

thanks for the hello,

I really have enjoyed looking at all the unique boats and the effort folks have put into them. I'm not aiming for perfection on this first one, just experience.

Just to let you know i am replacing the whole length of the stringers but as i have to work outside and have limited tools i only cut the floor out where i could get to it. I did not want to have to cut out the seats and then the whole floor. SO working around and under them, maybe not the best option, but .....

And thats not half the problems with it. anyway it will be a good learning experience and fun, i hope. I like tearing things up a little and putting them back together but I try not to go too crazy.

THe former owner put in a transom but did a half backed job as i have learned from reading and looking at youtube vids. I going to try and reinforce it only.

lots of spider type cracks in the bottom of the hull. I am fiber-glassing over the bottom to help ( i hope it helps)

And he painted it with latex house paint. I have read pro's and con's about doing that. I do like the nice smooth and shinny look myself, so thats going to take some time. lol

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 3 weeks ago #127565

Sorry Joe, I just saw the hole in the back and assumed... But be sure to at least check that hull joint. It may have been redone already but they were known to start coming apart there and letting water in :blink:

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 2 weeks ago #127592

i will check that down the road. thanks, a few good days of sunshine and im trying to get the stringers in. yes it would have been much easier if I took the top off but just got to work around things. gluing them together with the marine epoxy and some screws and making some peanut butter for them also. pictures later

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 2 weeks ago #127628

Hello,

does anyone want to suggest a drain plug for the bulge area after i finish the stringers, I was thinking of adding some foam . and it did have a drain plug but it was placed at the floor level, not at the very bottom of the hull in the back

i am pluging that hole and want to put it at the lowest spot
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 2 weeks ago #127629

question about covering the stringers

does anyone want to suggest how much and or what kind of fiberglass i should cover the stringers with.
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 2 weeks ago #127745

I did a little more with the stringers it is sloppy but i epoxied together plywood strips then used deck screws to "clap" them together.

Then made my peanut butter and was going to use a cake thing to do the fillets but it burst so i had to apply the mix with my fingers and spoon.

after that i also put a thin strip of fiberglass on top of the fillet.

later I will cover the stringers with fiberglass.

as messy as it looks i seems very strong?

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 2 weeks ago #127746

I did a little more with the stringers it is sloppy but i epoxied together plywood strips then used deck screws to "clap" them together.

Then made my peanut butter and was going to use a cake thing to do the fillets but it burst so i had to apply the mix with my fingers and spoon.

after that i also put a thin strip of fiberglass on top of the fillet.

later I will cover the stringers with fiberglass.

as messy as it looks i seems very strong?

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 2 weeks ago #127764

trying to post a pic
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 1 week ago #127867

im continuing to work on covering the stringers and covering the transon conecting it better to the boat.

This my be a crazy question to ask but ... here goes

the situation

I was told to put sealed cell foam in the boat after im finished with the stringers, etc. and before i replace the floor.

the foam looks very expensive, and i am trying to figure out the cubic feet in need.

Has anyone ever used those thin foam tubes the kids have for the pool or beach, they float, don't get water logged, are buoyant, keep people afloat out in the water??????

they only cost 1.00 per tube at the dollar store vs. the big cost of the 2 part foam at the supply stores.

I don't see how it can hurt as this boat has never had foam in it anyway

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 1 week ago #127905

ok forget about using the tubes im just going with the expanding closed cell foam in the bugle area

and i found i plug on line to use.

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 5 days ago #128081

working on strengthening the transom to the hull

i think it's ready for the foam
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 4 days ago #128102

Crazy question.

has anyone used a spray rubber, like flex o seal or something , to cover the inside hull before foaming it and putting the floor back on ?

just give it an extra layer of protection

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 4 days ago #128121

Couldn't hurt, I suppose. But I think most, if not all moisture will come from above. My latest theory is that it's probably impossible to keep moisture out of a foamed area. No matter how hard you try, cracks will happen and water will get down there, then it has nowhere to go but into the foam. So my latest floor has sheets of foam cut and laid in, with drainage/ventilation at the bottom. Sure, water can easily get in through the drain holes, but it just as easily gets back out. I think foam has to sit submerged for a long time before it will start to absorb. Just my 2 cents ;)

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 4 days ago #128125

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Some of that old bilge water comes from condensation. Say you have your boat on the trailer out in the sun, lots of warm air pounding down on it and heating up that floor. Put it in cold water and condensations begins in the sealed area. Just can't get away from it.

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 4 days ago #128126

thanks, agreed i have bought some closed cell foam and am going to try to make something to help water that gets in with the foamed area drain to the stern where i put in a drain hole

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 6 months 2 days ago #128160

this is sloppy but i'm getting some foam in, and i hope it helps keep it floating. very interesting stuff to work with


ok to finish off the foaming

i'm going to add more to the 3 exposed sections of the floor i cut out. but as soon as i pour it around the remaining low spots, im going to put the floor on top of it right away . than as the foam expands hopefully it will expand sideways, as there are open spaces because the floor will keep it from just rising upwards.

Then for the sections where the seats are and the floor is not open. i will drill holes and pour in some foam then cover the hole and hopefully again it will expand sideways and fill in the open spaces under the floor and seats that i could not get to directly from above.
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 5 months 3 weeks ago #128450

ust an update:
I got the foam in. and i sealed the cut parts with epoxy. I did learn a lot on how to use it and i'm sure next time i will have a much better result.

So i'm ready to put the floor back on, I will screw the fiberglass pieces down onto the stringers and fiberglass over the cuts maybe even fill them in with a little wood flower first.

Pictures of the floor pieces, I did remove/sand down the fiberglass pieces that were covering the original stringers


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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 5 months 3 weeks ago #128458

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Great progress and good learning experience. Sounds like you're already planning on another project. Keep us posted.
Cal

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 5 months 2 weeks ago #128506

thanks for looking and your comment.

A little more progress getting the floor back on

Screwed in the floor to the stringers, used woodflour to fill in the cuts then put fiberglass over the wood flower.
For the transom i put in a filet of woodflower and i will add more fiberglass.

I might not get too much more done in my outside workshop depending on the weather.

I would like to start to strip it, the guy painted it with exterior house paint
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 3 months 2 weeks ago #129642

Is this the L & S from craigs list in Richmond, VA ? $250 w/o the trailer?
If so I almost bought it. The guy (Doug) sent me to the wrong address - his fathers house in Mathews, VA.I got there and no L & S !

Found this picture in my texts from July-
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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 3 months 2 weeks ago #129646

not sure whats going on but that is what i bought this summer from a craigs list ad. it was in much worse shape then it looks in that pic no engine no trailer.
as you can see from my posts here

maybe you lucked out on all the work and cost that it is taking but i'm learning, it's my first time experience. i'm a newbie boater

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 3 days 19 hours ago #131400

April 2017 and i am starting to work on the boat again, with help from one of my sons we turned it upside down. so i can strip off the exterior house paint on it . SURPRISE, this thing has had some issues over the years WOW! so i'm going to strip it ( used some orange citrus stripper) and add some fiberglass to make sure it doesn't leak lol. I bought fiberglass and some epoxy off craigs list adds and a good price. The epoxy is PPG america something ( you mix equal parts , i like the way it works, It is a black color but I also got a white color too.
now lets see how easy it is to post pics

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 3 days 19 hours ago #131402

Sorry for the messy post i hope my repairs work out better then my posting lol

i have to get the hang of doing this posting and editing

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Re:lake n sea project for a newbe 17 hours 52 minutes ago #131459

Great work so far and yeah takes a little getting used to but actually much better than before. You can actually post all your pics at once instead of having to go back in after every pic, then edit, then add , then post etc...

Bob

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