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Twins 10 years 4 months ago #105986

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	Does anyone have any pictures of twins, similar to this showing steering & wiring? Thanks, a visual is always helpful! Cheers Bill Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #105988

Dr_Frankenmerc Offline Contributing Member Posts: 1433 Karma: 185 Thank you received: 44	Here is a twin set-up I did a few years back. Doc Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #105993

Larry Offline Junior Boarder Posts: 99 Karma: 28 Thank you received: 2	Bill, I hope these help. Larry Vintage Boatworks Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re: Twins 10 years 4 months ago #105994

firstfibre Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 321 Karma: 4 Thank you received: 0	Hi Bill, you may want to search online about the engines, they look pretty close together, there is usually a distance between and a toe in to get it to work correctly. Steve Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #105996

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Are you keeping the pulley system, or switcing over to a push pull system? Makes a difference.

As I recall, Johnson suggested 20" between center of motors, which does make them close. If you are using the original aluminum clamps on the motors that the pulley system connected to, I have a NOS tie bar I am not using I can sell you for cheap. Was going to use it with my Gale 40's Rideguide system as it is pretty heavy duty, but am using a mercruiser one that is even more substantial!

Interstingly, the Gales came with the associated tie bar, and it was MAYBE 3/8". It was used with a pulley system and was obviously adequate, but not what i would be comfortable with.

For what it is worth, mine will be a mix of what is below.

Al T

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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106001

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	Thanks for the replies, great pics. Larry, did you build that boat? Would like to see where the wire harness goes through the splashwell. Thanks Whatsleft, yes I am keeping the original cable system, and I believe you are right on the 20" as per my old Johnson brochure. Cheers Bill Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106006

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Yes Bill, We built to boat. It was a really FUN restoration.

This is the only photo that I could find of the wiring going through the splash well. Both go through the starboard side. We trimmed the hole by buying a stainless steel cup holder and cutting it apart just below the flange. Well...... it was exactly the right size

The motors are set at 24 inches on center with a 1/2" tow in.

Larry

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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106040

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	I have the same hole in the starboard side, but didn't think the wire harness would be long enough for the port engine. Did you use a standard harness or come up with something longer? Did you use springs on the cable steering? Thanks Bill Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106042

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Bill, The Glastron is so wide that we had to lengthen the harness for the port side motor about 14 inches. It's not a huge job. The connections were made under the splash well.
We got lucking on the Herters. It so narrow that the standard harness is going to work. We test fit these last week.

Larry

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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106044

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	Sweet looking motors, thought that might be the case on the harness. Thanks Cheers Bill Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106056

woodglass Offline Junior Boarder Posts: 148 Karma: 8 Thank you received: 0	do twins have to be counter rotating? Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106064

HandyAndy Offline Moderator Posts: 1107 Karma: 102 Thank you received: 12	From the Glassic Library: www.fiberglassics.com/library/Johnson_Shipmaster Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106070

Gatore Offline Fresh Boarder Posts: 1 Thank you received: 0	Where can I buy parts for a cable steering system? Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106071

satx78247 Offline Contributing Member Posts: 2688 Karma: 66 Thank you received: 3	Gatore, WELCOME ABOARD. yours, satx Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106072

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Woodglass,
Counter rotating motors are great, BUT... are extremely rare in 1950's and early 1960's outboards for our Glassics. Dual, standard rotating motors work just fine, especially in lower HP motors. We will not hesitate to use a matched pair of standard rotating motors.

Due to the prop torque the steering will sometimes pull to Starboard and can be a bit hard to turn to Port. I've found this to be barely noticeable. On a light hull, underway, the starboard side may lift leaning your boat to Port, again, barely noticeable and seems to not exist when you are up on plane. In reverse, with both props turning the same direction, prop walk to port can also exist, sometime making docking more difficult. I use this as an advantage, by nosing the bow in towards the dock and putting it in reverse your stern will pull into the dock.

Gatore,
The only ONE STOP SHOP that I'm aware of for everything needed for your cable steering set-up is: boatdesigns.com They are part of the Glen-L boat builder store. I, however, have purchased dozens of NOS pulleys and tension springs on eBay over the years. The 3/16" cable can be purchased at you local Hardware Store.

Larry

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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106108

MarkS Offline Moderator Posts: 5348 Karma: 118 Thank you received: 5	All fine examples shown, here's another that may give you some ideas Bill. It's from a while back, but a classic design IMHO; www.fiberglassics.com/glassic-forums/home/main-forum/power-cat-18dc/page-2#6420 Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106112

thompsonboat Offline Platinum Boarder Posts: 1418 Karma: 188 Thank you received: 19	Pic of bar between two 1957 Johnson 35 HP outboards on my 1957 Thompson 16'-7" Sea Lancer: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106113

whatsleft Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 282 Karma: 17 Thank you received: 1	That setup is very similar to the ones on that came with my '62 Gales, Thompson... Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106122

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	Thanks Handyandy, that's one of the manuals I was looking at. ( I actually scanned that one). That & the big service manual don't show the springs that prompted my question. Thompsonboat, thanks I believe that's the bar I'm looking for. Is yours still available whatsleft? Thanks Cheers Bill Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106127

whatsleft Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 282 Karma: 17 Thank you received: 1	Yes, I sent you an email Friday, I'll re-send. I have that one also, but is buried in the garage and won't be able to get to it until next weekend.the one I sent you pic of is much more substantial. Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106136

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	Thanks Al, made a mistake on my e-mail. Corrected it, please try again Cheers Bill Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106152

whatsleft Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 282 Karma: 17 Thank you received: 1	OK, RE-SENT Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106164

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	whatsleft, I seem to be having trouble with my e-mail. Sent you a message through this site. I'll try to get it fixed tomorrow, or if you want, post yours & I'll reply from a different address. Thanks Bill Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106171

whatsleft Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 282 Karma: 17 Thank you received: 1	Hey Bill, I just responded, see if it works. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106179

whatsleft Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 282 Karma: 17 Thank you received: 1	Got your emails, including this morning, sent you messages to both that you listed. I am getting yours, not sure why not getting mine - check your junk folder? I've found that some systems don't like the excite address. If don't get it, I'll send from a different one... Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106200

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I got this set today for twin engine hook up the guy said it a original ride guide set.ya look original all right still have box and instruction sheet on how to hook up.even that I still don't get it I'm just going to need a few parts only so the rest is up for grab.I bought the whole set for only $10.

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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106202

commando Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 271 Karma: 18 Thank you received: 2	Outof the whole set I think I only need this parts but again I not sure if it is a right connection fir my motor Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106205

jbcurt00 Offline Moderator Posts: 738 Karma: 51 Thank you received: 15	Make sure you get what you need, and if you'll let me know what shipping is to the US zip 26554, I'd be interested in the balance of those parts. I think twin vintage Mercs would look good on the back of this: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106207

commando Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 271 Karma: 18 Thank you received: 2	Sure just hang in there I order a few more parts and it's coming this week as long as you pay for shipping it's your. Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 4 months ago #106209

jbcurt00 Offline Moderator Posts: 738 Karma: 51 Thank you received: 15	I'll send you a message thru the email link on the forum, thanks Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 3 months ago #106255

peter1708 Offline Junior Boarder Posts: 126 Karma: 3 Thank you received: 2	Wow, all of these motors and set-ups are fantastic! Pete Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 3 months ago #106556

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This is one of the best twin motor steering setups I have seen.
It uses all original Super RideGuide parts and works as smooth
and steady as any in my experience. Jim was fortunate enough to
have saved the complete setup from his days in racing and used it
on this nice Power Cat 15c with twin 150xs Mercs.

Danny

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Re:Twins 10 years 3 months ago #106561

firstfibre Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 321 Karma: 4 Thank you received: 0	Much better than the twin setup on this G3, I mean that can't be a kicker images.craigslist.org/01414_972uINBFHBG_600x450.jpg Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 3 months ago #107126

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	Larry, a couple questions if I may. On the purple Glastron, did you use springs on the cable steering, if so, where? Where did you fasten the ends of the cables? That is a nice neat install. Thanks Cheers Bill Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 3 months ago #107166

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Bill, We used springs on both the port and starboard sides of the hull.
The springs and pulleys aligned perfectly with the rub rail, so they were through bolted through the rub rail before installing the rubber rub rail insert.
We have, on several occasions had the glass in plywood blocks to secure both the springs and pulleys.
Larry

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Re:Twins 10 years 3 months ago #107197

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	Thanks Larry, think I have it all sorted now. Cheers Bill Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 3 months ago #107296

barnickelbill Topic Author Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 336 Karma: 24 Thank you received: 16	Larry, I have decided to follow your lead & attach the pulleys to the inside of the rub rail. Where did you get this piece from? Thanks again Bill Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 3 months ago #107298

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Bill, Those are Ronstan Series 30BB Double Exit Blocks. They are Sailboat hardware. They come as either single or double pulley set-ups. I bought these off eBay for about $25 each. landfallnavigation.com sell them. There may be other sources and manufacturers. Look up "exit blocks". We, of course, used them strictly as cable guides. There may be cheaper alternatives.

Larry

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Re: Twins 10 years 3 months ago #107299

satx78247 Offline Contributing Member Posts: 2688 Karma: 66 Thank you received: 3	barnickelbill, WOW! a PAIR of RDS-20 Super Quiet OBs. (And I thought that I was lucky to fine ONE in good shape.) yours, satx Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:Twins 10 years 3 months ago #107302

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woodglass wrote:

do twins have to be counter rotating?

The first twins to be countering rotating was a Mercury Mark 58 use in a race by Richard McDerby (owner of Yellow Jacket Boats) in 1957 in the Long Beach-Catalina Marathon.

Mercury had build Mac the custom counter rotating Mark 58 just for that race.It was kept a secret till after the race was over.

Mac wanted to win as to beat Roy Rogers (part owner of Yellow Jacket Boats) who won the race in 1955. Now no one won the 1956 race because it was called off because of fog

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