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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63388
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[Never give up...Never.] I read that somewhere!!
Hang in there, it is just a machine. She is going to run like the wind and shift perfect. Neil |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63394
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Sure Neil! Just throw that at me.
I know-- If you don't have nothin nice to say about the outboard don't say nuthin at all. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63401
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Well at least your on dry land and finding out it will no shift. We were on the lake sunday and was just floating for awhile. I fired up the motor and hit the forward button and nothing. Hit reverse and nothing. Crap just what I need, a 55 hp rude selectric that won't shift in the middle of the lake.Cussed at it a couple of times, hit forward again and away we went. Worked fine the rest of the day. These motors are really sensitive to where the throttle is to get them to shift properly. I hope you do't have to much hassel getting it up and running.Skip.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63428
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Skip sounds like you got lucky on that one.
Here's some funny looking pics of the Johnson; 
Maybe I should call the LU in as stolen! 
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63558
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StarCraft Update:
I finally figured out the shifting problem. Every time I went to put the shift solenoids in, the little plunger would fall off and not seat all the way down into the little hole in the pump. Several tries later I have managed to seat the plunger correctly!!! Now I just have to wait for the new gaskets to show up to put it all back together again. I did a dry fit an everything worked okay, so I don't for see any more trouble with my limp Johnson. 1969 Johnson 55 hp Hydro-Electric shift 55es69c shift solenoids are not the same as all the others. If you have a universal repair manual it will not tell you to just set the solenoid assembly in to the lower unit gear case, and make sure the little plunger seats down into the pump hole. You also won't find it on an inter-net search, so I wanted to post the information here for future reference. 
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63566
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Trial and error, one way to get a permanent lesson. Good you found and solved the problem. If I remember correctly there is a special OMC gear oil for the electric shift. Can't use the regular heavy gear oil.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63575
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Ditto on the lower unit oil.Make sure you use only Type C oil in it. I know the fustration of trying to put the solinoids in proper. Glad to see you got it figured out ok. Get her back together and get out there and have some fun with it. Skip.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63612
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Thanks for the heads up guys. My local outdoors shop heard I had an old Johnson with solenoids, and they sold me some Type C. This is the first time I ever heard of it.
Now I will start on the carpet next. Then build two seat boxes and put swivel seats on them. Were getting closer to splash every week. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63986
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Just putting this here so I remember where it is when I start to fix it.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63988
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Update:
Just got the Johnson put back together. Now I'm waiting for the neighbor to come home so I can steal his water muffs again. Wife and I are building this seat box to attach the swivel seats on to. 
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63991
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littlefin, gosh your doing a very good job on your boat. i really like the color. is the top deck redone in gelcoat or paint? i'am going to have to make the 90 mile trip up there just to see it sometime. it is always nice to have the better half's support and help. my wife is the same, some are not!!!!! take care frog
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #63997
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Hey Frog,
Good to hear from you. I decided not to redo the top half this year until I could get the boat on the water and try it out. I just buffed it out for now. If everything goes well I will probably do it next summer. 
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64034
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Update: 07/08/12
I'm starting to get my second wind back in me. Was a little slow after the last cancer check on Friday. Got a lot more done today, than yesterday. New carpet is installed, Tested the Johnson and its shifting!!! And finished wiring the trailer. Progress is Inspirational! 
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64037
So True! She's coming along nicely Littlefin. Hang in there, do a little at a time and you'll get her done before you know it.  |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64040
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I got a little more done.
Oh Yea! By the way. The wife said it's just wrong to hear a grown man giggle! 
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64105
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great job,it looks great,littlefin!!!,
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\"too soon old,too late smart\" my pap
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.“ ---Mark Twain |
Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64290
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SPLASH DAY: Wed. July 11th 2010
The boat ran well, but I think the 55 Johnson is a bit to much engine for it (or me). When I go to the back to lower the outboard, I have water splashing in through the drain holes on the splash apron. Maybe this is normal? It hops on plane right away, then I had to throttle it back down to half throttle due to the fact that my under-pants can only hold so much weight. The wife thought it was really fun. (Far braver than I am) I will have video as soon as I figure out how to do it. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64298
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way to go littlefin, that is all we strive for is making waves. great job and now start anther one, lol. frog
 ps your boat inspector looks darn right tickeled. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64299
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More pics from splash.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64301
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Thanks Frog here's the video!
I cant get it to work, but I will figure it out. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64304
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Glad to see you got that motor running on the lake. My creastliner with 55 rude does the same thing when I stand in the back and lower the motor. That is common for some of these smaller boats. Thats why there are 2 drain holes back there. You have just the right amount of motor for the boat as it sits. Any idea as to how fast you were going? Skip.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64306
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Thanks Skip,
We figured about 30-35 mph. Kind of hard to tell with another boat along side of us. That was at about 1/2 - 3/4 throttle. If you think its okay with that big of a motor I will give it a try at full throttle next time. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64307
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Video
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64322
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Cool pics and video Littlefin, glad to see all your hard work paying off!
If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion: Take your time and get used to your boat before going for WOT runs or "drastic" maneuvers. Once you have a little time at the helm you'll feel more comfortable knowing how she reacts to different situations, water conditions, etc... Just want everybody to be safe out there, you've got the rest of your life to enjoy yourself (and your family) out on the water. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64326
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Looks pretty good there. You might want to try alittle trim adjustment on you motor. From the looks of the vidio you may have a small list to one side there.What hole from the hull do you have your trim pin in? I have found that these motors are very touchy about where the trim is set at. Once you find a good setting that boat will move and ride really nice. Have fun, Skip.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64337
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NICE! Way to go!
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64345
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Thanks everyone.
Mark - I will wait until I have everything adjusted so it feels right first. (Not that I'm afraid........Well maybe a little) Skip - I'm in the center hole right now but I will try one in each direction to see what it does. Most of the List is my wife leaning hard against the side rail to film the shot. When she turn back around and sat in her seat, it leveled right out. Rice - Yup, it feels good to get a little wave action after all that work. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64374
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Very nice and the RPMs sound right. Get a tach at some point though.
I have found nearly every boat I have owned the engine was set as close to the transom as possible for best performance. I love it when a plan comes together! |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64376
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I didn't mean to sound like "Safety Officer Sam" Littlefin, I apologize. I had a few wide eyed moments in my first few outings in the Cutter Tornado, guess I was thinking of them when I posted that. I'm sure you'll pick it up in no time.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64382
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Mark,
If you could have seen the look on my face as I went to turn the first time and the whole boat went up on it's side and did a spin around way faster than I thought was safe(or possible). I looked over to my wife who was laughing and enjoying the ride, clueless as to how close we just came to flipping the boat. By now I had things back under control and started laughing along with her. Any other little items about how this thing maneuvers that I might need to know? I would rather learn at home than sink the boat. 
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64384
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Jim,
I found the Tach. but I have to hook it up, along with a pitot tube. Then I will know better as to how fast I am going. For now I think I might call her StarFleet instead of StarCraft. Those of you with G3's and the like are far braver than you are given credit for. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64643
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Thanks Littlefin,
That video put a big ole smile on my face. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64712
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Littlefin, I'm still out of the country for this week but the progress you made is nothing but fantastic! Glad to see someone getting some dunk time this summer. Hope to get my Merc back from the shop next week and finally get on (not in) the water.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64729
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Man that sounds nice cruising across the water. Congrats on the project, it came out great.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64731
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Thanks guys.
I need to get some seats put on that bench. I have a serious case of Boat Butt from hitting the waves. LOL. HomeBrew, I like the boat. Hope to see it out on the water soon. Sabre, Yes- On it not In it, is always best. Ritchie, The smiles are what it's all about my friend. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64927
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I took my wife and and beater scenes-less today.
It's not what you think. The waves where at about two feet and a wind of about 20mph. The little Starcraft hit those kind of hard and we still don't have the seats in yet, only the wooden bench. We went about 6 miles and called it quits for the evening. Used up about 3 gallons of gas. Does that sound about right to you guys? I reset the points and the Johnson is running better, but still shakes at medium throttle. Okay at low speed or high speed. Just when your in that slower cruise mode ya know. It also wont go into neutral. Forward or Reverse only. I think that I might have the two wires in the lower unit, going to the shift solenoids mixed up. Any one ever run into this before? |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64932
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Here's a little video we shot where the waves weren't quite so bad.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #64948
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Littlefin, check your oil in the lower unit and made sure it is full and not milky colored.Then check the wires arenot crossed. Does your engine have the 2 connectors up on the starter side of the motor where they go down to the lower unit? Make sure they are wired correctly. If everything checks out check your controls, you may have an issue there. You should be getting more milage than that,I am getting about 34 miles on 6 gals wide open.What size prop? Did you set the timing after you did the points. Check these things out first and that should give you a base to start from. Good luck and keep us posted, Skip.
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #65007
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Skip,
Thanks for your advise. Here's what I know for now. I reset the points, but didn't set the timing. I will have to check that next. Spark plug wires are in order. The oil looks good, and the controls check out fine, I will try and switch the wires. 13 1/4 x 17 Prop. size. That mileage seemed to be way out of whack to me. But the strange thing is the power seems fine. You would think the engine would flood out or be boggy if it was getting more gas than it could burn. |
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Re:1963 Starcraft 14' Ranger Project 12 years 4 months ago #65045
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You have the stock prop on it so that should not be a problem. How are you maesuring your distance and speed? I use a gps as that is the best way to do it. Check to make sure you are not losing fuel anywhere.As for the mid throttle shake you will just have to tweak your carb adjustment out on the water. This engine only needs small adjustments to dial them in. It is best to do in the water tied up to a dock in gear. or just stop in the lake and do a small adjustment at a time. If you have a gps or can borrow one start with a measured amount of gas like 3 gals and run it a full throttle until it is all gone then try again at mid to slow trottle until it is all gone. that should give you a fair idea as to how far you can go on a tank of gas. It wouldn't hurt to run some seafoam in the tank also. You will need to set the timming on your motor also. Have fun,
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